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Piercing Serenity wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Piercing Serenity wrote:

It could also be some type of pseudo death. You could starve a merc until they died, only to have the re spawn with the feeling of hunger still with them. Then you'd just repeat that torture until they were nothing. Or you could have some injury that leaves the merc in a coma. They're not dead, so they don't come back into a new body, and their mind is gone so even a 'fresh brain' wouldn't do anything. Just my two cents

Personally, I'd love to make a story about the hardships of war when you're immortal, especially torture. If your body and mind will never forget the psychological pain inflicted on it, you would live out eternity in a daze at best and in a nightmare at worse. Your immortality would be rendered mute with torture

And people wonder why the immortal pilots and soldiers are considered inhuman.

Is that a reference to the capacity of merc to figure out how to inflict death (essentially) on someone who is truly immortal?
Or is that statement meant to highlight that the traumas of war really do change immortal humans into something else?


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Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6953	Posted - 2013.08.05 12:00:00 - [1] - Quote Cloning accidents still happen. Implants can also be defective. Templars 2-6 are permanently offline as are all original Sleepers who used a similar technology. Taking out our routers/enclaves then killing our bodies before we have time to establish a new connection is also effective.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6953	Posted - 2013.08.05 12:23:00 - [2] - Quote Piercing Serenity wrote: It could also be some type of pseudo death. You could starve a merc until they died, only to have the re spawn with the feeling of hunger still with them. Then you'd just repeat that torture until they were nothing. Or you could have some injury that leaves the merc in a coma. They're not dead, so they don't come back into a new body, and their mind is gone so even a 'fresh brain' wouldn't do anything. Just my two cents Personally, I'd love to make a story about the hardships of war when you're immortal, especially torture. If your body and mind will never forget the psychological pain inflicted on it, you would live out eternity in a daze at best and in a nightmare at worse. Your immortality would be rendered mute with torture And people wonder why the immortal pilots and soldiers are considered inhuman. There have been a quite few that have 'risen' above this psychological stigma where needs of the flesh no longer bother them however neither does a complete lack moral base allowing them to commit mass murder without second thought. Pilots are rarely bothered by the millions upon millions of crew folk and space settlers they've killed.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6954	Posted - 2013.08.05 12:27:00 - [3] - Quote Piercing Serenity wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Piercing Serenity wrote: It could also be some type of pseudo death. You could starve a merc until they died, only to have the re spawn with the feeling of hunger still with them. Then you'd just repeat that torture until they were nothing. Or you could have some injury that leaves the merc in a coma. They're not dead, so they don't come back into a new body, and their mind is gone so even a 'fresh brain' wouldn't do anything. Just my two cents Personally, I'd love to make a story about the hardships of war when you're immortal, especially torture. If your body and mind will never forget the psychological pain inflicted on it, you would live out eternity in a daze at best and in a nightmare at worse. Your immortality would be rendered mute with torture And people wonder why the immortal pilots and soldiers are considered inhuman. Is that a reference to the capacity of merc to figure out how to inflict death (essentially) on someone who is truly immortal? Or is that statement meant to highlight that the traumas of war really do change immortal humans into something else? There have been a quite few that have 'risen' above this psychological stigma where needs of the flesh no longer bother them however neither does a complete lack moral base allowing them to commit mass murder without second thought. Pilots are rarely bothered by the millions upon millions of crew folk and space settlers they've killed. In due time the immortal Soldiers are going to be just as unbothered. There is an deep fear running through most non-clonners minds concerning us, they don't see us as human anymore most of the time. Then again humans die and unable to continue their legacy, the empyreans and elysians are unbothered and consider death a minor inconvenience. It gets disturbing to an outside observer sometimes, cases where family and friends are discarded after the process is rather common. Socializing with non-cloners is rare. Not reacting to things that would traumatize most others is fairly common. After all being inside a ship as its dying with its crew is a pretty horrific event in itself considering the starship is the extension of the body and everything the ship goes though is reflected through the pilot's psyche. Either way the things we do or will be doing would have and never will cross a regular person's mind ever. And despite popular belief, the empires invented the immortality complex and means. Not the jovians, all they did was provide the pod to make it more convenient to control massive starships. There is some various trainings to help prepare people for the immortal life, Concord and empires provide some of it, it would also not be surprising if there are social clubs that help 'support' the immortal mental well being. Dwelling with survivors guilt is a silly thing for an immortal to go through but fresh podders and soldiers would still probably go though things they would have experienced in their old lives. As for the torture part, we not sure if the current pilots 'upgraded' to our clones. After all the sleeper consciousness transferral implants are not the same implants that enables pilots to control ships. We do know the pilots are upgrading in some areas to take control of the new 'tech 3' ships since its sleeper tech and will not respond to empire tech implants. So it stands to reason the new immortal soldier implants would have start working their way into the capsuleers.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6954	Posted - 2013.08.05 12:42:00 - [4] - Quote Piercing Serenity wrote: This is a very "For who the Bell Tolls" moment. Do we as immortal clones lose any part of our humanity from the deaths of others? Are we shielded from that change (To some extent) by virtue of the fact that the bell can't ever toll for us? Not all lose their humanity, but many do come with the terms they're no longer able to die either and as life normally goes, its going to throw a nasty curve ball to severely remind them they cannot die. We're not exactly gods though we're still very killable just we're not someone you can shoot 3am on the side of the street and be done with it. Chances are the guy shot will find where the shooter sleeps and kill him the in most painful way possible for pissing him off. As for capsuleer behavior there are some short stories about it you can read here http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Portal:EVE_Fiction http://community.eveonline.com/backstory/chronicles/hands-of-a-killer/ http://community.eveonline.com/backstory/chronicles/all-these-lives-are-fit-to-ruin-1/ There are a few more stories that go deeper in the EON magazines but they're currently not online anymore.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6954	Posted - 2013.08.05 12:56:00 - [5] - Quote Death does make a human for what he is, he only has one life. There are however that extraordinary human who as some people would say be a better world had death not visited him. Unfortunately fate is picky and not everyone has a chance at the immortality enjoyed by the empyreans or elysians. I would say the 'sense of death' is dulled to the immortals as how one goes blind and deaf with age. They just quit caring about either at that point and go about as 'normal' as possible without that sense being available to them anymore. This greatly alters their habits to the point many no longer consider them a part of humanity but as something else because of the disconnect and alien lack of sense is in the uncanny valley. Before you is a human, down to the every detail it is indistinguishable, but you know there is something wrong, something creepy about them and that is what disturbs most normal people about the capsuleers and mercenaries.